A Mess of a Rotation
January 27th, 2009 | Published in Daniel Gettinger, Padres, baseball, projections | 6 Comments
by Daniel Gettinger
The Padres’ projected 2009 rotation is an absolute disaster. The depth chart on Padres.com lists (in order) Peavy, Young, Baek, Correia, Geer, LeBlanc, and Prior. After Peavy and Young, the quality of the pitchers relative to each other is debatable, but none of them can genuinely be thought of as reliable options, either this year, or in future years. That’s the problem. Not only is the Padres starting rotation likely to be terrible in 2009, but things do not look poised to improve much in 2010.
It is one thing to state the Padres rotation will be awful in 2009, but aside from the obscure hodgepodge of names, what can we really expect?* To answer this question, I used an average of the Bill James, CHONE, and Marcel predictions available at fangraphs. The numbers for Correia were massaged because CHONE considered him a reliever, and Bill James predicted he would start in only 41% of his appearances. Also, to make up the gap in games started, I assume replacement level pitchers will start 18.5 games, and last an average of 5 innings per start. I then calculated the predicted win values using the method outlined by Dave Cameron. The table posted below contains the relevant data:
*Note: For the purposes of this analysis, I am assuming Peavy will not be traded. In actuality, I believe Peavy will be traded, but I have no good justification, just a hunch. Likewise, I am assuming the Padres will not sign a free agent pitcher. While I am longing for the team to sign Ben Sheets to a 2 deal worth $12 million per season, I think the probability of that happening is close to 0.
| Player | FIP | IP | Starts | WAR |
| Peavy | 3.42 | 182.66 | 30 | 3.62 |
| Young | 4.18 | 131.66 | 27 | 1.28 |
| Baek | 4.36 | 125.67 | 21.5 | 0.93 |
| Correia | 4.50 | 120 | 23 | 0.68 |
| Geer | 4.53 | 120.5 | 21 | 0.64 |
| LeBlanc | 5.10 | 60.5 | 11 | -0.09 |
| Prior | 4.66 | 57 | 10 | 0.21 |
This model predicts the starters will throw 890.5 innings, and total 7.27 wins more than a staff full of replacement pitchers. For comparison purposes, last year’s starting pitchers threw 909.4 innings, and totaled approximately 5.87 wins over replacement level. (Note: The 5.87 wins are an approximation, arrived at by dividing runs above replacement by 10). To put into perspective how awful this projected rotation is, consider Tim Lincecum. Last year, he contributed 7.5 wins more than a replacement level pitcher. Surrounding the 2008 version of Tim Lincecum with a bunch of replacement pitchers would result in more wins than the expectation of this predicted 2009 Padres staff. Another, equally depressing view, is the 2009 staff is not expected to be much better than the 2008 version.
Of course, this analysis only confirms basic intuition. The 2009 Padres are expected to be bad, and their lack of quality starting pitching is a big reason why. What bothers me is the lack of quality options available in 2010 as well. Peavy is young enough that he is unlikely to experience a massive decline in the next few years. At 29, Chris Young probably has a few good years left in him as well. So, assuming Peavy is not traded, the 2010 rotation should have at least two solid pitchers.
The other three rotation spots are dicier. Neither Baek, nor Correia should be expected to suddenly blossom in 2010. At best, their performance might be a little better than this year’s predicted performance. The same goes with Geer and LeBlanc, but with perhaps a little more upside. Honestly though, a good, contending team would probably not have more than one of these guys in the rotation. So, what other options does the team have?
Matt Latos is the Padres top pitching prospect, but he has never pitched above A ball. To expect a great 2010 season from him at the major league level is extremely optimistic. Will Inman has had success in the minors, but most scouts see his peak as nothing more than a fourth or fifth starter. I could see both of these guys making solid contributions in 2011, but expectations for 2010 should be tempered.
The way I see it, for the rotation to improve in 2010, the Padres will either need to sign a quality free agent, or make a trade. Both of these methods have significant drawbacks. Free agents, and pitchers in particular, are often very expensive, and very risky. Trading for pitchers is okay in theory, but few teams are looking to give up quality arms, and acquiring one via trade requires the relinquishment of equally valuable assets.
Making predictions is always tough. Making predictions about the distant future is nearly impossible. Too many things can change. With that said, I am confident the 2009 Padres will have a terrible rotation, and as of this moment, things don’t look much better for 2010.

January 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm (#)
Spot on, Daniel.
I see the starting rotation as clearly the weak spot on the club, and like you say, without major changes, I don’t think it’s going to fix itself anytime soon.
I have a good amount of faith that when the Padres organization *wants* to fix it, they will. But, I don’t think that is going to be this year, due to the ownership/budget/rebuilding situation. .
January 28th, 2009 at 12:09 am (#)
It’s funny, sometimes I see myself as quite a kool aid drinker they way I get frustrated when fans are negative about the team.
And yet, the frustration isn’t there with this article, even though it doesn’t paint an ugly picture of at least one aspect of the club. I figure this is due to your solid logic and use of evidence in your arguments, features that are sorely lacking in most negative type articles about the Padres.
That said, I do wonder about Nick Schmidt and Cesar Carillo, and how the rotation would look had their development gone differently. I also wonder who is responsible for their lack of success so far, be it poor scouting, random unavoidable injuries / bad luck, bad training, or some other factor or combination of factors.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:07 am (#)
One thing that actually gives me hope is this year’s low payroll. I see this as more of a temporary payroll level, rather than something more permanent. The Padres should have money to spend in the future, and some of that is likely to go to plugging holes in the rotation.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am (#)
Can you explain why you think those models are predicting such a huge drop off for Young. I know they are not your models, I was just wondering what you thought was the reasoning.
Other than 2008 when he was hit by a pitch in the face Young has started 30 or more games and as a Padre has never had an ERA over 3.96.
Averaging James, CHONE and Marcel does not give you the ERA figures you posted either since those projections have his ERA at 3.37, 3.95 and 3.55 respectively. Marcel does not predict starts so I assume you took the middle ground between 29 (James) and 25 (CHONE) to get 27 starts.
The 131.66 IP with 27 starts also puts Young at an completely unrealistic 4.87 innings per start while he has averaged 5.6 innings per start.
My projections for Young are 30 Starts/172 IP – 13-11 3.38 ERA 1.12 WHIP .211 BAA
That would his WAR in line with Peavy’s in your projections.
I agree that a contending team would not have Baek, Correia and Geer/LeBlanc all starting.
I can see a team contending with Peavy, Young, a good number 3, and Baek/Correia/LeBlanc/Geer/Prior fighting for the #4 and #5 spots. Of course that would take a top line bullpen that the Padres don’t have. lol
Seriously, I do think the Padres will be better than in 2008 even with a suspect pitching staff. In Towers I trust. Well at least when it comes to pitching.
But I still don’t see them winning more than 78 games. If I had to put my money where my big fat mouth is, I would bet on 74 wins, an improvement of 11 wins.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:47 am (#)
Websoul-The numbers I use are actually FIP, rather than ERA. The projection systems have Young at a 3.62 ERA, which is much closer to your estimate. Bill James is even closer, projecting Young to have a 3.37 ERA.
Good point on the projected IP/start for C.Y. Oddly, CHONE actually thinks Young will only go 4.5 innings a start. As you point out, that does not make much intuitive sense. If I were to bump Young’s innings and starts up to your suggested numbers, Young comes in at 1.67 WAR.
Also, I noticed an error in the table. Baek should have a predicted FIP of 4.36, not 4.18. His other numbers are correct, I just messed up with my copy and pasting. I will fix that mistake right now.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:36 pm (#)
I didn’t even notice it said FIP. That is a much more representative number of actual performance than ERA.
I have the flu and its really taking away from my ability to concentrate.
Sorry.